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Green Room - Week 9 - Weekend Edition

There is a Write-Off happening right now: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/982377.html

So make sure to read, comment and vote for your favorites!

3 people enter. 1 person emerges victorious.


The new topic http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/981676.html and Work Room http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/981915.html are also up.

as is the Second Chance sign-up sheet: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/981280.html Make sure to spread the word about that!


What's up tap for your weekend? Mine is still being decided, but it sounds like it will involve hiking.


Feb. 19th, 2017 03:40 pm (UTC)
The main proposed "fixes" have been: (1) require people to comment. Which - no way there is any way to actually enforce that. The vast majority of you are adults. You understand if you *want* comments, you need to be *giving* comments. If you don't, then you missed something fundamental early in life and I'm not going to be the one who is able to fix that one. ;)

(2) Smaller contestant numbers. That happened. As you pointed out, that happened this season and it just highlights the issue rather than "fixes" it.

(3) Running "heats" of smaller groups. As seen earlier this season - and in your examples, when people aren't actively engaged, that doesn't make them *more* likely to read other people's stuff and comment. That idea has always struck me as putting a gun to our head and calling it a starter pistol. ;)

The only real "fix" for "the problem" is for people who see it, and say "there's a problem here" to step up and comment more, without expecting that they will receive the same immediately. The more people who do that, the faster the issue is resolved.

*I* never comment on entries, because I don't want to create a conflict of interest. I also don't want to rubber stamp a generic "I read this", because I don't think that's particularly helpful to anyone. Maybe I should examine that though.
Feb. 19th, 2017 03:41 pm (UTC)
I've noticed *your* name in Green Rooms, and in comments to people. So obviously not directly any of that to you. Just to the general masses who might be reading and not commenting.
Feb. 19th, 2017 04:12 pm (UTC)

All good suggestions with their own set of "pros and cons".

And your summation is exact and probably more closer to what is really happening than my perception - real life, early in the game. But I'm not, personally, seeing the give-and-take aspect. And I suppose that is what is concerning me the most. I hope we are teaching by example our newbies. Sure you can spend your time writing only, but I think the sense of community is lost that way.

I think reading all the entries and commenting on the vast majority and responding to comments on your entry is the heart of this hearty and heartfelt writing experience. It is also a different experience than the Green Rooms, which also seem too quiet to me.
Feb. 19th, 2017 04:25 pm (UTC)
The best way to cure the quiet is for more people to engage each other. Some of the best Green Rooms I've seen started with someone almost talking to themselves at times... and then other people just jumping in (and responding to those people...)
Feb. 19th, 2017 04:27 pm (UTC)
"I hope we are teaching by example our newbies. "

This, for me, is the most important. BE the example you had. Or, wished you had. As a vet, you are shaping what newbies think of their Idol experience, the same way other people helped shaped yours. Make it as great as possible.
Feb. 19th, 2017 04:31 pm (UTC)
I really agree! I count myself very lucky that halfshellvenus was my sage when she talked me into Idol! She's a superb teacher!
Feb. 19th, 2017 06:56 pm (UTC)
I try to read everyone and comment. I think Idolers should know it's in their best interests to read and comment, as it will motivate others to read and comment on their pieces.

I have my favs I almost always read- because I will learn and become a better writer myself. I have a tendency to read the comments after I've given mine and absorb whatever helpful concrit that was made. (I'm a sponge- hehehe)

I also like to read the newbs and those not polling well in an attempt to encourage them and boost their numbers.

Feb. 19th, 2017 04:21 pm (UTC)
1) Yep :nodding: I'll always point to whipchick as mastering this where she made it her goal to comment on everyone's entries. She explained how she did it while traveling cross-country/overseas, and to this day I still marvel how she accomplished it. She wanted to do it and succeeded. If you want something badly enough you'll find a way to go after it.

2) I didn't really want to point that out but it's there.

3) It also highlights another issue re #2 as to LJ's present place on the internets. If people aren't *here* on LJ to begin with, then they're not going to read/comment. We as *Idol* can only do so much short of holding those pistols to our heads. If we pull the triggers...well, there (generic) *you* go, literally.

Feb. 19th, 2017 04:34 pm (UTC)
1. Yep, great example. She found the time to do it. Because it was important to her. Was it strategy? Absolutely. But she put a priority on it, and it got done.

2. Yep, and I hate to be "I told (generic "you") so", but yeah, I've been saying it wasn't the numbers... not getting *to everyone* is different. But commenting in general... that's a personal decision that people make. Some weeks are easier than others, and some weeks it's absolutely impossible. But do what you can, if you want other people to follow suit.

3. It's definitely one of "those things" and why I've tried reaching out in various other social media forums. Some folks haven't liked that. But I think they like silence even less. ;)

I don't think things are *dire*, and I also think that expectations - including my own - need to be managed of "numbers aren't going to be as high as they were" with everything that follows. But I hope people manage to take the good and still find something useful in it.

Rebuilding word of mouth is important. I hope people are continuing to let folks know that Idol is here, and what we have to offer.

Edited at 2017-02-19 04:34 pm (UTC)
Feb. 19th, 2017 07:20 pm (UTC)
*I* never comment on entries, because I don't want to create a conflict of interest. I also don't want to rubber stamp a generic "I read this", because I don't think that's particularly helpful to anyone. Maybe I should examine that though.

No, I think you're absolutely right about that.


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