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Green Room - Break Week - Day 8

With my luck, by the time Second Chance rolls around - the energy around the 2017revival will have faded. I really hope not though, because bringing people back to the LJ fold has long been something I've wanted to see happen. It's something that Idol, in it's own small and twisted way, has been doing in it's own shouting into the wind way.

I've noticed though, that there are a lot of different people who all seem to have their own notions about what was so awesome about LJ "back in the day". What do YOU want to see return, and what do you hope never does?

The break week topics are over here: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/961914.html


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Dec. 28th, 2016 02:42 pm (UTC)

My "back in the day" extends only to Season 9 and the recent mini-season, so I don't have much history. I have enjoyed it all. If Idol can continue a few more years (please!) perhaps I would have something to contribute.

Edited at 2016-12-28 02:49 pm (UTC)
Dec. 28th, 2016 02:56 pm (UTC)
I was thinking more of "Livejournal" itself from "back in the day".

What about it have you enjoyed, and what aspects about how it used to be are you glad are gone?
Dec. 28th, 2016 03:28 pm (UTC)
I knew I had really been away from LJ too much when I got a notice that my paid time had been extended due to technical problems and I hadn't been around the site to even notice them.

"Back in the day" stuff I regularly did on LJ I now do on Facebook. Still, since I pay for this, I've been considering ways to make better use of this resource, other than my monthly "candlepoll"
Dec. 28th, 2016 05:41 pm (UTC)
To be fair I'm on LJ every day and I didn't notice them either. Though I think the problems mainly happened when I was asleep.
Dec. 28th, 2016 08:36 pm (UTC)
Slightly off topic, but...
I just wanted to say that I really love your Daniel Jackson avatar. ^-^
Dec. 29th, 2016 06:15 am (UTC)
Re: Slightly off topic, but...
Thank you :) Daniel Jackson is lovely isn't he
Dec. 28th, 2016 03:29 pm (UTC)
I've continued to use my LJ even as my friends left and the place got overrun by tumbleweeds. What I always missed was the intimacy of sharing our thoughts and our lives with one another. You can certainly get to know a person on a platform like Facebook, but not in the same way.

I know a loooot of people had LJ drama of various degrees, but I was not one of them. I'm more of a shut it down and walk away kind of person. So for me "back in the day" LJ was all good stuff.
Dec. 28th, 2016 05:01 pm (UTC)
I feel like I say this a lot, but what I really miss is getting glimpses of other people's lives in paragraphs. I miss interacting with people who use words. I miss watching the people I know interacting with each other.

A couple of days ago one of my new "revival" friends commented on another's comment. I was unprepared for the happiness this elicited. This is what has been missing.

What I don't miss from the old days is the periodic outrage storms and the wielding of friends/members as weapons. I'm not going to get specific, because I don't want to poison the water.

I don't think the revival momentum will slow down before SCI. I'm tracking that community and it is NOT slowing down. :)
Dec. 28th, 2016 05:28 pm (UTC)
I've been hit-or-miss here on LJ the past few months because of my family situation, so I missed this revival movement. And I do hope it's a movement. Time will tell.

And that's one thing I miss and notice - consistency of posting. "Back in the Day" if I went four or five days without posting, search parties would be sent out. Flisters were FRIENDS who missed one another when they weren't around. LiveJournal was a pub in which everyone in the village hung out and that's not to suggest it was an arm-in-arm singalong, because it wasn't, but rather an organic and vitally alive gathering of like and unlike minded folks who connected through....wait for it...words.

It was the ultimate Tinder for friendship. In place of photoshopped selfies and humble brags was glorious word pictures and, um, humble brags. But it worked! We found one another in the din. And we got along even with those we wouldn't have clicked on because a friend liked them. Flists were HUGE. And originally you couldn't filter your flist, so everything was simply out there and comments were actually conversations, loud, quiet, informative, vitriolic.

It was also tremendously creative. I know some miss that terribly, but that hasn't really changed for me and getting involved with The Real LJ Idol a few years ago was proof to me that LJ is a bastion of creativity. Perhaps "Back in the Day" creativity was better rewarded? Or easier to tap into? That's one thing that really confuddles me...where have all the creative voices gone? I don't see how FaceBook engenders that sort of creative writing and/or creative feedback.

I miss the sense of community. The day-long interaction, the national, international, global feel of the thing. I miss LJ-ers traveling and dropping in on friends who live on opposite sides of the earth. Some of my best friends I met and made on LiveJournal.

Sure there were INSANE flame wars and some INSANE rallying around opinions and names...but that's life anyway, isn't it? Just a bit more in-your-face. That sort of immediate melt-down certainly presses on the individual psyche to take a stand and quick and have the intellectual wherewithal to defend that position. Wishy-washiness didn't go over well "Back in the Day".

Things change. Some believe we need new friends every ten years or so...The internet is a hivemind and the hive will go where the Queens go...for the most part. For a long time, I was waiting for "The Next Big Thing" but having watched DreamWidth and Myspace and FaceBook unfold themselves into people-catchers...I'm no longer waiting. This is the platform that works best for me. I haven't left. I hope others return.
Dec. 28th, 2016 05:50 pm (UTC)
Well put.

Perhaps "Back in the Day" creativity was better rewarded? Or easier to tap into? That's one thing that really confuddles me...where have all the creative voices gone?


And yes, there isn't really another website that fosters the kind of communication and interaction BETWEEN creatives in the way LJ used to.
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:07 pm (UTC)
And that has a shadow side, too, of course.

Back in the BACK BACK Day of Olde communication and interaction between creatives was really limited. Insomuch as a piece of work was concerned, creatives have always been lounging about talking shop. But immediate feedback on a written piece was unheard of, unless you were reading out loud and expecting a response from your dog. Sure, we had writer's groups and workshops and uni classes...but the idea that you could write a thing and have a handful of readers (or blessedly more) read and comment was absolutely foreign and unimaginable. Until you published the written thing. And that may be why 'zines were so freakin' popular....We spent an inordinate amount of time with Xerox machines.

There are many writers who have cut their canines on the idea of readers and comments and now kudos. This is an absolutely amazing and gratifying experience....but it does have that crack side to it.

I've long wondered if this interaction has made for better prose. And I'm currently of the mind that it has and it does.
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:48 pm (UTC)
I do think the interaction makes for better prose. I am glad I didn't really get to be in the world of writing before the internet. I probably would've given up, tiring quickly of my own echo chamber. I also doubt I would've written without the ability to type on a computer as the physical motion of handwriting has always posed a difficulty to me.
Dec. 28th, 2016 07:33 pm (UTC)
"And that may be why 'zines were so freakin' popular....We spent an inordinate amount of time with Xerox machines"

I know I did.

I was suspended in high school for mine.

Dec. 28th, 2016 07:39 pm (UTC)
*high five* What were you publishing???

Not trying to upstage your suspension, but the FBI got involved with ours. Something to do with an animal experimentation laboratory being blown up.....


Edited at 2016-12-28 07:40 pm (UTC)
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:16 pm (UTC)
I agree completely with your second paragraph! My f-listers back in the day were like my family! They helped me through so much in my life. That is something I missed completely this past fall when my life fell apart. It really was like hanging out with people. Great conversations in a great community.

I hope the revival is a movement, too. While I have never really left LJ (just posting sporadically for the most part), it feels good to recapture the LJ of old.
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:25 pm (UTC)
Yes! And I miss the conversations! LiveJournal feels very much one-sided to me now. And that's what I abhor about FaceBook - the posts I've seen simply don't seem to flow naturally into dialoguing or they quickly become heated yelling matches. "Back in the Day" true conversations took place in the comments and oftentimes branched out into other posts and links. Comment sections were regularly humongous, not just single digit "likes".

Dec. 28th, 2016 11:22 pm (UTC)
For a long time, I was waiting for "The Next Big Thing" but having watched DreamWidth and Myspace and FaceBook unfold themselves into people-catchers...I'm no longer waiting. This is the platform that works best for me. I haven't left. I hope others return.

This. Yes.

Although I don't miss the life comparisons. You know, the "my life is so much better/worse/harder/more dramatic than yours." That can stay on FB so I can avoid it more easily.
Dec. 29th, 2016 12:40 am (UTC)
Agreed! It seems to me that FB is the bastion of that sort of thing.
Dec. 28th, 2016 05:39 pm (UTC)
That 2017revival thing looks interesting but I just don't think I have the energy for it. I think I'll just focus my social energies on making friends here in Idol for now. I am planning on trying to post more in 2017 though.

As much as I loved the LJ of old I just don't think getting back to it is going to happen. But I still think it's good that people are trying because without effort it turns the low chance into a zero chance.

I really loved the fandom communities, being able to go to a place dedicated to a fandom and there being all sorts of stuff there. I know people say there's that on tumblr now, but I still find the entire notion of a fandom community on tumblr rather nebulous and difficult to access/become a part of.
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)
Least favorite: anonymous communities

I know there are people who loved them because they could say whatever they wanted without consequence. But that's the reason I didn't like them.
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:24 pm (UTC)
I would like to see the increase in activity be maintained. I remember back when reading my friends page in the morning would take me back hundreds of entries! Now, I'm lucky if I get back 40 entries (that is changing with the new people I have added from the revival group, and once I get back in the Idol groove, I hope to connect with more people here as well).

The excess LJ drama can stay away in the time-out corner, though. I do not miss that at all.
Dec. 28th, 2016 06:32 pm (UTC)
I've seen quite a few of those people in the FB talking about what "a great time" that was and how they miss it. *head/desk*
Dec. 28th, 2016 07:33 pm (UTC)
Wow. In many ways that makes perfect sense.
Dec. 28th, 2016 07:44 pm (UTC)
A friend of a LJ friend on posted on one of those revival threads there that they were not only a troll in certain communities, but they were good at it and they missed doing it. My LJ friend not only "liked" the comment but decided to go down memory lane with the OP. Um, yeah, that thread died pretty fast because nobody else dared respond to it.
Dec. 28th, 2016 07:49 pm (UTC)
The one thing I've noticed in the ongoing revival community here is that as more people come out of the woodwork, the less others are apt to friend them. I know this tends to happen with the garden-variety friending meme because the pages go on and on. I feel badly for them because, to me, nothing kills the "Yes, I'm returning to LJ!" bug quicker than returning...and hearing crickets.

I still hold out for hope, though. The new friends I've picked up from the revival are writerly sorts whether they admit it or not...all of them are posting at least once day, sometimes more.
Dec. 28th, 2016 11:41 pm (UTC)
I think part of that is also, "Oh wow, how many new people do I want to take on?"

I'm glad I found it early, because it was easy to wade through, and now I'm tracking, so every time I check my inbox I have a handful to skim through.

I'm holding out hope, too. And I am committing to posting something every day, and at least skimming my f-list every day, which is a serious improvement for me.
Dec. 29th, 2016 06:45 am (UTC)
The biggest thing I guess I miss about Livejournal is a space where you poured all your thoughts from the day or week into ONE large post and then interacted via that instead of the immediacy of Twitter/Insta/Facebook.

That's pretty much about it. Oh and I made a ton of friends through it too, which makes me interested in the frenzy, yet at this point in my life I want more local friends then distant friends because I'm overloaded with those... LJ could direct me towards like minded individuals who are homebodies but want to get out if they could only find people like them to go out with.

So I'll be checking out that frenzy thing soon enough.
Dec. 29th, 2016 11:12 pm (UTC)
What I miss most is the sense of community it's one of the things I like here actually even if I don't get to participate much due to life everyone is really supportive. I miss meeting new people and sharing ideas. You just can't do meta on tumblr

What I never want to see back anon memes. They were the absolute pits. Hated them
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