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Green Room - Week 23 - Day 9

I feel like you damn kids need to get off my lawn! http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?_r=0

The flip side: http://www.npr.org/2016/05/24/479302241/irked-by-the-way-millennials-speak-i-feel-like-its-time-to-loosen-up

Although it's true that those damn kids DO need to get off my lawn!

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I also feel like you should be reading, commenting and voting for your favorite entries: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/934362.html Not just in the poll you can see, but the one for *the* favorite of the week, which you are emailing me.

I feel like that would be a good thing for you to be doing.

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kathrynrose
May. 25th, 2016 12:42 pm (UTC)
Words do actually mean things.
Then again, I am old.
I feel like it's fair to ask the speaker, "Upon what do you base your feelings?"
Then again, I can be a bitch sometimes.
shutupGary

Also I am first.

And the poll reminds me of a race between evenly matched snails. Watch it a while, you'll understand.
clauderainsrm
May. 25th, 2016 02:51 pm (UTC)
It's been pretty crazy so far, in that as soon as it looks like someone "has a lead", it vanishes.

I'd say "people are watching the poll and voting strategically", and accept that. BUT it's been the same way with the emails, where folks have little to no idea of what votes are coming in at any given time (even if someone tells their friend "Hey, I just sent in a vote", that's only one out of ___ that came in.

It kind of reminds me of the last handful of people in the last season of Survivor where people would have been happy with *any* outcome, because they liked all of them!
kathrynrose
May. 25th, 2016 02:37 pm (UTC)
Apparently I am also second. ::shrug::
lrig_rorrim
May. 25th, 2016 04:00 pm (UTC)
Today is "do ALL the things" day here in casa rorriM (asac rorriM?). I'm procrastinating a tiny bit, though, and found this article, which is super relevant to many of our interests:

Winning, losing, and participating: shut up about the trophy. So, that's Chuck Wendig, which means it's a brilliantly written rant filled with profanity, so be prepared if you open it at work.

I think it's super interesting in the context of something like LJI - there is, absolutely, a winner (or winners, in the case of one particular mini-season) but so many of us end up saying that participating is the win state for us. I've heard / read a lot that people "forget it's a game". I wonder if that doesn't come down to playing to play and aiming at personal win states rather than the ultimate win of an icon and fleeting internet glory. Playing means sitting down to create regularly and meet other people doing the same, getting feedback and giving it, and just getting practice at putting ourselves out there. It means figuring out the creative process, what works and what doesn't. It means getting over blocks and working to a schedule and still having fun.

And all of those things are really awesome! But even when we know we should (oh "should", demon of my world) it can be so damn hard to get motivated to actually do the thing and write the words and make it happen without the contest format, without the specter of Winning (tm) and prompts and deadlines and all of it.

Anyway, the article gave me some thinky thoughts about motivation, participation, winning, and writing. They're still tangled up, but I thought I'd share. :)
clauderainsrm
May. 25th, 2016 04:09 pm (UTC)
" fleeting internet glory."

The glory is FOREVER!!!

lrig_rorrim
May. 25th, 2016 04:10 pm (UTC)
*morbid voice* Gary, nothing lasts forever.

I may have been watching too much Cosmos. The sun, man, it's gonna explode (I mean, yes, it's BILLIONS of years away, but...). Where will your internet glory be in the heat death of the universe, eh?
clauderainsrm
May. 25th, 2016 04:17 pm (UTC)
Hanging out with Keith Richards in the aftermath.
halfshellvenus
May. 25th, 2016 07:12 pm (UTC)
That was a terrific article.

I've been of the "stupid $*!@^ participation trophy* mentality for a long time, partly because I'm of the generation before that ever came into being.

But I do see his point. Not that I want those things cluttering the house, but yes-- doing is extremely important, and you will never get better at anything if you DON'T participate.

And failure is a great teacher-- not in the sense of, "Well, aren't you sorry you tried that? Quit now!", but in the iterative sense of learning. In my field, we think of that as iterative prototyping. You try something, see how it works, see what doesn't work and refine the prototype. There was a terrific article about how most inventors are engineers or tinkerers and not research scientists, because "theory-theory-theory-BAM-uh-oh" tends to produce less useful results than "try-tweak-try-tweak-tweak-try-WHOO-HOO!"

Or something. ;)
gratefuladdict
May. 25th, 2016 05:13 pm (UTC)
I feel like it's both maddening and amazing that language is democratic and always evolving.

But I still die a little inside at some of the pop culture acronyms, abbreviations, and misspellings that make it into the dictionary every year.
halfshellvenus
May. 25th, 2016 05:23 pm (UTC)
Hrm. I've had to incorporate a heavy use of parallels to "I feel like," including phrasing things as questions and using passive voice to describe a current undesirable state. You know, all the things people encourage women in particular not to do and that we complain about in language as a whole.

That's because I work in an engineering community where "niceness" is so highly valued that directness seems harsh-- particularly when communicating with colleagues in Asian territories. You have to avoid ever wording things as if they might appear to be blaming someone, or laying responsibility clearly at their door. I've gotten better at it, but it's been maddening.

I tend to be a very direct person, although I try to temper it with kindness. For some people, that's just too scary!

Language evolutions that bug me include the business-speak tendency to noun verbs. "That's a good ask" (question), or "Their ask of us is..." (request), and this past week... "They like how we manage our spend" (spending or budget). GAAAAAAH!
gratefuladdict
May. 25th, 2016 05:36 pm (UTC)
I was in a design presentation yesterday where my colleague said, "Design X would be our recommend."

RECOMMENDATION.

Say it with me now.

RECOMMENDATION.

*sigh*
halfshellvenus
May. 25th, 2016 06:42 pm (UTC)
WHYYYYY?

The word they want already exists, how hard is it to use the right one?

Business-speak infects everything. :(
lrig_rorrim
May. 25th, 2016 05:31 pm (UTC)
I feel like the second link is a pretty good takedown of the grumpiness against "I feel like". Seriously, there's nothing that keeps anyone from engaging with an opinion stated as an "I feel like". There are many methods, including the very diplomatically phrased "What leads you to that?" or "How did you get there?" (which I'll often follow up with a "because I don't see it, myself").

Claiming that it's a shield shutting down discourse because FEEFEES HAVE BEEN DEPLOYED ALERT ALERT DO NOT ENGAGE WITH THE SQUISHY THINGS LEST THEY GET ON YOU is uh, dumb. Or at least, that's how I feel.
kathrynrose
May. 25th, 2016 06:48 pm (UTC)
Or at least, that's how I feel.

I see what you did right there. :)
prog_schlock
May. 25th, 2016 06:59 pm (UTC)
Language evolves and I'm comfortable evolving with it. My word choices are on fleek.
prog_schlock
May. 25th, 2016 07:00 pm (UTC)
Note: I also work with high school students and make a point to adopt their idioms just to annoy them. It works best if you use them a little wrong. For example, I call everyone "bae."
bleodswean
May. 25th, 2016 08:16 pm (UTC)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

On Fleek. omfg.

I LOVE language and how it evolves. It's so fluid and so flexible. I tease young people all the time with my faux attempts to speak their language.

Imma start calling everyone bae.
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