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Green Room - Week 21 - Day 3

Good morning.

I had the weirdest dream last night. People were *really* riled up about Facebook.

Good thing that was just a dream and all those comments I saw yesterday were actually about the Ghostbusters trailer!

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Seriously though - one of the more interesting balancing acts of the job is trying to take in the often opposing feedback I receive (the differences between the people who commented in public and those who emailed me after those comments started being posted was *huge*). So I'm still digesting them and, as usual, trying to come up with a way to make the various factions that make-up Idol hate me equally! :)

Idol itself is a microcosm of that interplay between opposing forces, and I think that's what makes it work so well - and what makes it so difficult to explain to someone on the outside at times. Because it's a competition. But it's a community. It's a community where bonds form in the midst of voting each other out! :)

It's a place where people share personal details about their live - often in the context of a public vote.

It's a constant shifting of where those lines can, and should be - and honestly, it's something that every single season decides where things are going to be *for them*. They have to balance those things as well, as I fine tune the bigger picture to make sure nothing gets too far out of balance.

It's this breathing, evolving thing - and it's as frustrating as it is wonderful to behold.

You might say that Idol itself is about the line between friends and rivals - and how to walk said line to the end. ;)

Which is something that the Top 10 themselves are trying to figure out.

Speaking of which - the topics are due tomorrow: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/927053.html Hope to see you all there!

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eternal_ot
May. 5th, 2016 02:48 pm (UTC)
Frist? Perks of being eliminated..;)...it's a community. It's a community where bonds form in the midst of voting each other out! :) ...So true and that is something I love about Idol..when I entered as a newbie I was welcomed with open arms..and it was an amazing feeling to belong to a place & added bonus was I got feedbacks.




Edited at 2016-05-05 02:51 pm (UTC)
clauderainsrm
May. 5th, 2016 05:31 pm (UTC)
I'm really glad that you've had that experience.

My hope is that everyone is made to feel welcome.

(There are always going to be people who don't get along - but I'd like to think that even in those extreme cases that Idolers can still be adults about it!)
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kickthehobbit
May. 5th, 2016 04:40 pm (UTC)
I stand by what I said in email: I would have been perfectly comfortable with the inclusion of Facebook in Idol if it had been made clear that Facebook was going to be a large part of the contest from the get-go. It would have given me a chance to either play under an alt or change what I had been writing so that the tie between me and what I was putting out for Idol was less personal.

I'm not opposed to Facebook. I am opposed to a community with a real name policy becoming a large part of the competition this late in the season, when I had written really personal stuff and wasn't comfortable linking this identity to Facebook.
clauderainsrm
May. 5th, 2016 05:29 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you did mention it, the Real Name policy is actually something that I hadn't considered.

I still say it wasn't a "major part" of 6 month competition, an one week "name a topic" that was likely to be seen by people who either were already a part of Idol (past and present) and some of their friends. BUT when reading that, and the messages from other people that followed, I think I made the right call in calling it off.

That said - there *will most likely* be similar events in the future. Just not anywhere with a Real Name policy, and I think I'm going to go ahead and say that current contestants are illegible, just to address the "too much influence" concern. Like I said though, I'm still working this out in my head. Details when, and if, they actually happen.
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halfshellvenus
May. 5th, 2016 05:02 pm (UTC)
I think you do a great job of balancing things, and yes-- it evolves over time.

Facebook is a serious issue for me in that you can't have alternate identities there. If I could, I would probably keep up better with a few of the people I met at LJ who migrated there. Though... I am linked to one of them, who used to write the most thoughtful posts and stories, and whose feed now looks like, "Cheese sandwich for lunch today! Awesome!" :(

So, that's the main issue there. I don't think prompting people from the Idol page to read and vote hurts-- to me, that is different from an individual's friends-list, where people may not read anything other than their friend's story. And yes, I realize we can't do anything about that. Thanks, LJ!

Because it's a competition. But it's a community. It's a community where bonds form in the midst of voting each other out! :)
You jest, but it's so true! *sobs*

Oh hey, you forgot the gratuitous Happy Cinco de Mayo! Which was not even a thing I knew about before moving to California. I still find it kind of weird, TBH.

Today, it's looking more like Cinco de Thunderstorm here, but I predict there will still be people drinking beer and sampling salsa anyway. ;)
clauderainsrm
May. 5th, 2016 05:21 pm (UTC)
For me it's Happy Grayson's birthday.

(Grayson was my first cat - well, the first one I had as an adult, so he was "mine". He's long since gone, but his legend lives on!

(NOT Grayson in the icon. But also a cat who has a legend that has lived on.)

"Most famous" exploits include him being locked in the bathroom (he was unfixed and aggressive at times (when I say "my cat", I mean "my ex loved cats and convinced me that she would take care of him) while we were gone. It was a rundown old place, so when we got home - he was waiting for us *on the front step*.

He had *busted a hole through the door*, pulled open the french doors, knocked a hole in the screen and then pushed open the metal louvers on the window just to get outside...

It wasn't the first time he got out. Nor was it the last. Mostly he just got his butt kicked by a kitten and then wanted to come back home, where the food was.
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clauderainsrm
May. 5th, 2016 05:35 pm (UTC)
As I said above, I'm glad people mentioned the Real Name policy. I knew of it, but really didn't see the potential impact until it was brought up.

I'd like to think that I did it in a way that would limit that fear BUT just showing up like that I think it caught a lot of people by surprise. And while surprise inside the game is good, that was adjacent to the game and had the potential to go bad. So I'm glad that I pulled it.

"that is different from an individual's friends-list, where people may not read anything other than their friend's story. And yes, I realize we can't do anything about that" If I could force people to read more Idol entries, I would. :) I'd be doing them a service!

eternal_ot
May. 5th, 2016 05:58 pm (UTC)

Well..er...I am an alt on FB, LJ, twitter, google...just saying. Teo is not my real identity and I do have two FB accounts.

kickthehobbit
May. 5th, 2016 06:23 pm (UTC)
My partner also had a separate "business" account that he used with clients and a personal account he used with friends (all on Facebook, obviously :) ).

Facebook ended up suspending his personal account because he used a nickname instead of his real name. They didn't want to give him access again until he verified his identity by scanning in a copy of his state-issued ID (which has his real name) and agreed to go by his real name on Facebook.

He's not the first they've done this to, either. Previously their real-name policy was that you had to use your real name, period—and they were very specific about what kind of identification they would accept. This led to a lot of First Nations and trans people being forced off Facebook (because the ID they had wasn't ID that Facebook would accept), and while they've done a bunch to remedy that (there's now specific rules regarding people who are LGBTQ, an ethnic minority, or a victim of stalking/abuse), there's still not really a good middle ground for people who have a valid reason for not using their real name.

All it takes is someone reporting you. You can get around it for a while, but piss off the wrong person and you can find yourself locked out of your account.

I struggle with what the "right" decision is re: Facebook. Ultimately, I have an account, because it's useful to me in a lot of ways, but I end up filtering a lot of what gets posted. I have a bunch of very specific filters set up so that no one can see anything I don't want them to.

The issue then, for people like me, becomes public posts. Facebook's algorithm lets people know when you have commented on or "liked" public posts (or sometimes, depending on the comments, even comments on public posts). Anything that is posted to an Idol page is public. If I participate in those posts, I am potentially outing myself to people I would rather not have know that I'm active on lj. It's not hard to guess, looking at the community, who I am, and there are people in my life who would be curious about Idol (and whom I would rather not have flipping through my journal).

I've made the decision not to directly link my lj presence to my Facebook presence. It's the same reason why I have a private-locked Twitter account. It's clear if you see all the pieces, but I try not to bring things together all in one place, and participating in things like the topic comment contest would do that.
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eternal_ot
May. 5th, 2016 07:01 pm (UTC)

Agreed :)

prog_schlock
May. 5th, 2016 09:40 pm (UTC)
Because I don't have enough to do, here's Gary's top 10 predictions as a poem
Poetic version of clauderainsrm's "Reasons why the Top 10 might not win"

The mad mod king sloughed rough onto his throne
His wrath the subjects no longer could dodge.
"Now dig deep graves then build me ten headstone
Then summon forth the fearful Deca-lj."

The ten were brought before the brand new graves
On each headstone were carved fresh words of woe.
A cry went up from those piteous knaves
They knew not which knave in which hole would go.

Two stones spoke of how their subjects differed
"Not like the other"'s close to what was writ.
Some more would by precedent be hindered
Above three graves that epitaph did sit


(The third of those headstones added an "or"
The King could not their fate with surety pin.
"Precedent mightn't be why you're done for
It could be that you're not playing to win.")

Playing it safe could wipe the next two out;
The last three would perhaps just self destruct.
Though only one would manage to hold out
The other nine were well and truly...

Wait!

Before we start to sing their final dirge
Each of the ten perhaps still gets a stab
To make it through the weekly author's purge
By writing at the whim of mad King Mab.

I'll show myself out

bleodswean
May. 5th, 2016 09:49 pm (UTC)
Re: Because I don't have enough to do, here's Gary's top 10 predictions as a poem
*applauds*
halfshellvenus
May. 5th, 2016 10:20 pm (UTC)
Re: Because I don't have enough to do, here's Gary's top 10 predictions as a poem
Nicely done, sir!
gratefuladdict
May. 5th, 2016 11:51 pm (UTC)
Re: Because I don't have enough to do, here's Gary's top 10 predictions as a poem
*thunderous applause*

You should have posted this for Sabotage.
lrig_rorrim
May. 6th, 2016 01:24 am (UTC)
Re: Because I don't have enough to do, here's Gary's top 10 predictions as a poem
I... I love this so much. <3
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