?

Log in

No account? Create an account

Last Episode | Next Episode

Green Room - Week 11 - Day 2

There is a Second Chance poll happening right now: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/899509.html so make sure to check it out and help 2 of the 3 of them get back into the competition!

We also have the Topic for the main competition: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/898794.html and a Work Room: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/898968.html

and of course, another Trump victory. (this time in Nevada)

I'm starting to think that the GOP isn't going to stop this guy. Not sure if anyone can...

The gold plated bathroom fixture supply companies are going to be sending bids in to redo the White House any time now!!

Comments

( 142 comments — Leave a comment )
theun4givables
Feb. 24th, 2016 02:53 pm (UTC)
The entire thing with Trump scares the fuck out of me. I don't get it. I really, really don't get it.
kathrynrose
Feb. 24th, 2016 02:56 pm (UTC)
It baffles me, but not as much as it makes me deeply sad, also disgusted. And embarrassed.
(no subject) - theun4givables - Feb. 24th, 2016 02:58 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theun4givables - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:05 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theun4givables - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - noodledays - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
kathrynrose
Feb. 24th, 2016 02:54 pm (UTC)
I'm starting to think that the GOP isn't going to stop this guy. Not sure if anyone can...

Because he made a pact with the devil.

Also, first. second

Edited at 2016-02-24 02:55 pm (UTC)
theun4givables
Feb. 24th, 2016 02:56 pm (UTC)
Pact with the Devil sounds about right, yeah.
bleodswean
Feb. 24th, 2016 03:29 pm (UTC)
I'm here to support my boy, Trump. And I know this is a warcry to many online...and I don't really want a brawl, especially a political one *shudder* but in the interest of hearing a different perspective....

We own our own company. It's a family business and we employ a relative. And we work very, very, very hard. We dutifully pay HUGE amounts of taxes every quarter. We don't get paid time off or retirement or health bennies. Our benefit, and it is what makes it all worthwhile, is that we are our own bosses and for two pretty wild and independent personalities, that's worth all the gold in the Sierra Nevadas, believe me.

ObamaCare FUCKED us royally. And we didn't even get a chance to "fake it". It's not getting better, it's getting much worse and we still are paying out each month as though we're bleeding money. And we wouldn't actually mind it that much if we knew of others, less fortunate, who are benefiting, but we haven't heard from a single one. Rich, poor, and middling, no one seems to be doing better with ObamaCare. So, there's that.

We keep company with others who are self-employed and they are all backing Trump regardless of income, race, religion, or creed. And believe me, as a group we encompass diversity. It's because of his business acumen. He knows how to run a business and we know how to run a business and it's a trust thing.

We are also first and second generation Americans whose relatives went through hell and highwater to get here, but they came through legal channels and it wasn't easy. They had to learn English and they had to say goodbye to their homelands and they had to work hard to achieve and accomplish a modicum of comfort in the New World. Whether its laudable or not, none of them accepted government financial aid. And most of them became policeman, firemen, and military men and women.

I think many Americans have simply lost faith in the professional politician. They seem to be out of touch with those of us who are working, raising children, paying for college, paying the insurance premiums, joining the service. Sure, it's wonderful to espouse platitudes, but even those lofty aspirations don't seem to be reality anymore, they are feel-good sound bites that don't seem to be making differences in anyone's lives.

Us Trumpians could be ridiculously off base, but the feeling right now is one of change for the better. Running the country as though it were a business. We're tired of the glad-handing and back-slapping of those who just don't seem to get the day-to-day experience of the country.
bleodswean
Feb. 24th, 2016 03:40 pm (UTC)
And....just to make things more complicated. We are HUMONGOUS supporters of gay marriage and pro-choice and scrutinizing police brutality. (Which we know firsthand is real and frightening and just no no no.) But we don't believe that the massive accomplishments this country has achieved in regards to some of these issues are going to be reversed. There are too many human beings who have become self-actualized for that to happen in this century.
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:37 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:04 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - whipchick - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - impoetry - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:36 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 04:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 25th, 2016 03:18 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - halfshellvenus - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thistle_verse - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:09 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thistle_verse - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theun4givables - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - theun4givables - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - lrig_rorrim - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:31 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
thought-experiment - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiement - thistle_verse - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiement - thistle_verse - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:19 pm (UTC) - Expand
RE: thought-experiement - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiement - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiment - lrig_rorrim - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:40 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiment - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiment - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiment - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:23 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiment - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
RE: Re: thought-experiment - anyonesghost - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:24 pm (UTC) - Expand
RE: thought-experiement - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
RE: thought-experiment - anyonesghost - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:23 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: thought-experiment - favoritebean - Feb. 26th, 2016 12:14 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - murielle - Feb. 24th, 2016 05:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - noodledays - Feb. 24th, 2016 06:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - murielle - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - murielle - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - lrig_rorrim - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:19 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 25th, 2016 03:09 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - xo_kizzy_xo - Feb. 25th, 2016 07:55 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - noodledays - Feb. 25th, 2016 12:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 07:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:11 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 25th, 2016 03:16 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 25th, 2016 05:21 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 25th, 2016 12:00 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 25th, 2016 12:14 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 25th, 2016 12:29 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - favoritebean - Feb. 26th, 2016 12:27 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - talon - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 25th, 2016 03:19 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:51 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:55 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 25th, 2016 02:20 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 25th, 2016 02:25 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - favoritebean - Feb. 26th, 2016 12:30 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:41 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - murielle - Feb. 25th, 2016 01:29 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:54 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - favoritebean - Feb. 26th, 2016 12:41 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 27th, 2016 03:48 pm (UTC) - Expand
Thanks for writing back - favoritebean - Feb. 27th, 2016 11:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Thanks for writing back - bleodswean - Feb. 27th, 2016 11:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
prog_schlock
Feb. 24th, 2016 07:27 pm (UTC)
I'd like to make an unsupported incendiary comment here with absolute conviction and subtle innuendos about the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with it.

This is how we do politics in America, right?
clauderainsrm
Feb. 24th, 2016 08:36 pm (UTC)
*insert angry retort here, accusing you of being in the pocket of special interests*
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:02 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - halfshellvenus - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:08 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - whipchick - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:57 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - whipchick - Feb. 25th, 2016 02:25 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 25th, 2016 02:27 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - anyonesghost - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:28 pm (UTC) - Expand
kickthehobbit
Feb. 24th, 2016 07:54 pm (UTC)
Trump frightens me. Discovering that friends of mine support him has been one of the worst parts of this election cycle. Finding out that someone I like and respect is, if at least not openly racist, supportive of someone who is spouting racist nonsense to get into office (and excusing it as being something that he's doing to "get attention"—from whom, I wonder?), is a little...

I stay silent about politics largely because they affect me personally far more often than I am comfortable with. This is one of those times. I almost feel like I should say something—because I am Chicana, and I can't stand what has been said, by all of the Republican candidates (but especially Trump) at this point, about my people.

Other people are able to shrug it off and go, "it's for the attention!", and I have to wonder what it means with respect to me and my family—how they must think of me, if dismissing where I come from is something that can be done "for attention", and be all right.

Historically, I know what they would say. It's something I heard fairly frequently, growing up in a community in which the debate over immigration was always in the foreground—"oh, but you're not one of those Mexicans": because I'm fluent in English, because I'm educated, because how I look and dress and sound tells those that are so eager to deport us otherwise that I must not be a part of the same group they are quick to decry as being unwashed, uneducated, and unwelcome in the US.

I's another uncomfortable truth, too: at the end of the day, if I say or do something they don't like, they will dismiss me as being the angry Latina woman, who can't help it, because it's "in her blood", if they decide what to address what I've said at all.

I envy others for being able to treat it as entertainment. It's not all thought exercises and "spirited political discussion", for me—it's another person on the long list of people who think, publicly or privately, that people like me shouldn't exist, or at least not where they can see us.

It's another quiet reminder that no matter how educated I am, no matter how much I contribute, someone is going to see my last name and the color of my skin and ask where I am from, and did my parents come here legally? That they are going to lean forward, in their chair, and ask: was Spanish the primary language in my house, and did my parents get welfare?

I am never going to be separated from my heritage, and I don't want to be. I wish I could be separated from the racist baggage that comes along with it, but with every Trump victory, with every person that takes him seriously, that says he's only doing it "for attention", I feel the distance between it and myself shrink just a bit more.

I have never been ashamed to be Chicana. I am appalled to see how it has become a talking point, over the last several years, to the point we're at now, where someone campaigning for president can say that myself and people like me are "rapists and drug dealers" (when he himself is a rapist!) and be met with resounding applause.

I'm terrified of what this means for me and mine. I have already seen a spike in racist incidents in my community. I'm afraid of what it will mean, if Trump does get the nomination. Already there's been an uptick in, "you're not like those Mexicans...", and I am frightened of what it will mean when they discover that yes, I am one of them.

It is so strange to live in a world where people can debate the terrible things that have been said about my community as though discussing the weather. As though it doesn't really affect anyone, as though it's a philosophical discussion. Reading the threads here, I feel almost weirdly unwelcome—because what is an abstract for so many people here is a lived reality for me.
murielle
Feb. 24th, 2016 08:31 pm (UTC)
It is hard not to take this personally. I get that. I normally stay away from political discussions because I tend to take things very personally, myself. I'm trying to be more objective these days, to disengage my emotions, and just discuss. That said, I feel absolutely horrible that this discussion is hurting you, because I can see that it is. I am sorry for that, for my part in hurting you.

I don't consider myself a racist. But I am white, and I have been told many times that just by being white I am by default a racist.

Like many, many people...peoples...have said, I can't do anything about the color of my skin, so I try to work on my attitude.

Your feelings matter to me. I don't want to hurt you or anyone. I am truly sorry.
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - murielle - Feb. 24th, 2016 08:44 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:02 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:19 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 25th, 2016 01:59 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - whipchick - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thistle_verse - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:16 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thistle_verse - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 11:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - dmousey - Feb. 25th, 2016 01:31 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 25th, 2016 04:58 am (UTC) - Expand
clauderainsrm
Feb. 24th, 2016 08:48 pm (UTC)
Idol
This hasn't come up in awhile, but just in case it does, I want to say this:

LJ Idol is open to writers.

Not writers who think _____. Or don't think _____.

You could believe in your heart something that I think is absolutely repugnant, and if you can write - you are welcome here. (If you start shit, that can change. But we'll deal that when we come to it)

It doesn't matter if you agree with each other. It doesn't even matter if you *like* each other.

You don't even have to like me! There have certainly been people who, over the years, have not.

LJ Idol is open to you anyway.

So stay civil (and everyone here has been doing a great job of that so far) with each other - and always remember that there *is* a place here for everyone who is willing to write their ass off.

The only REAL enemy here is me!!

Edited at 2016-02-24 08:48 pm (UTC)
kickthehobbit
Feb. 24th, 2016 09:12 pm (UTC)
Oh God, Matt Walsh. Well, even a stopped clock...
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 09:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - kickthehobbit - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:18 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - prog_schlock - Feb. 24th, 2016 10:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
ryl
Feb. 24th, 2016 10:36 pm (UTC)
The only interest I have in Trump is watching the Republican party try in vain to stop his popularity. They're failing so badly I almost feel sorry for them.

Honestly, at this point I'm more interested in stopping NC Gov. Pat McCrory who doesn't think transgender people should be allowed to use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender identity. I actually met him briefly when he was campaigning the last time and I really hope he comes through Hippy Hollow again so I can tell him that he's a transphobic hateful ignoramus who's destroyed the educational system in this state and not only will I not vote for him, I wouldn't spit on him if he's on fire. *pant pant*

Trump I'd spit on, just for the hell of it.

Edited at 2016-02-24 10:36 pm (UTC)
anyonesghost
Feb. 24th, 2016 10:53 pm (UTC)
I've heard the "he's just playing for the base" theory.
I've heard people say, "he tells it like it is."
I've heard people say, "he's not a politician."
All within the same breath, usually.

What never quite clicks: if he's saying stuff just to get elected, then he's a politician. Maybe one of the most consummate politicians ever. He is, quite literally, the opposite of what you think he is. And if he's speaking gospel truth, then he's a horrifying human being, and it scares me to have him representing the U.S. to the world. Maybe he doesn't believe it, but he's inciting the mob to rally to it. Does he really think there are no consequences for speaking in public?

Maybe it won't be as bad as is feared. (Lord knows I knew a lot of people afraid of, yes, "reverse slavery" when Obama took office. Never mind that the opposite of slavery is "Freedom," not "enslave white people."). But all I have to go on is television, casinos that went bust, and hate speech. If he had fantastic policies, I might be mollified. I don't know what his policies are, other than, "Better than the next guy," and "a wall," and "bomb the shit out of them." None of those speak to me. What else has he got? Can we find out before the general election, please?

(Disclaimer: all the candidates left depress me, honestly, so it's not like I'm pushing an alternate platform, besides, "lesser evil.")
kickthehobbit
Feb. 24th, 2016 11:22 pm (UTC)
Thisthisthisthisthis.

There is so very little to go on, and nothing has been promised that is not horrifying in some way.
(no subject) - whipchick - Feb. 25th, 2016 02:26 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - whipchick - Feb. 25th, 2016 02:33 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - bleodswean - Feb. 25th, 2016 03:23 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - clauderainsrm - Feb. 25th, 2016 03:25 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - noodledays - Feb. 25th, 2016 12:35 pm (UTC) - Expand
dmousey
Feb. 25th, 2016 02:09 am (UTC)
( raises hand ) Bernie?

clauderainsrm
Feb. 25th, 2016 03:26 am (UTC)
Bernie what?
xo_kizzy_xo
Feb. 25th, 2016 08:08 am (UTC)
nobody's going to read this :(
I followed this thread all day yesterday and didn't get a chance to chime in except for my one lonely reply upthread. Lots of stuff to think about here. I've never been overly political, so it's interesting to me to see why people vote the way they do and who they vote for and how their interests align with whoever's running.

A couple of general things:

1. I'm a second generation American whose grandparents and parents all had their own businesses. Everybody worked themselves to the bone to put food on the table and a roof over everybody's head. Whatever $ they saved and invested was the result of THEIR work, nobody else's. As somebody in my family once said, "It's easy to be a Democrat when you're younger and don't own much. Once you're a business owner or a homeowner, you begin to understand Republicans." Or words to that effect. Fiscal conservatism, in other words. The Republican party in those years was a completely different animal than the clusterfuck it is now.

2. I don't think people intend to be more conservative the older they become -- it's a byproduct of finally realizing all the crap that's out there and having the ability to cut through it to get the the essential points. Because of that, one does have the desire for everything and everybody to be pragmatic. It doesn't always work that way, though.

3. In my neck of the woods I think there may be more Trump supporters than I care to admit. They're very much underground for obvious reasons. The younger crowd are literally stopping short of kowtowing to Sanders. The rest of us are in that no-person's land of "Should we vote for Hillary or not?"

Edited at 2016-02-25 08:10 am (UTC)
anyonesghost
Feb. 25th, 2016 12:45 pm (UTC)
RE: nobody's going to read this :(
I think the quote in my family was, "If you're 18 and a Republican, you have no heart. If you're 40 and a Democrat, you have no brain."

(Registered Independent, which I can only assume means I have no soul.)
lordrexfear
Feb. 26th, 2016 03:41 am (UTC)
Oh no actual political talk?!?

RUN!
( 142 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

LJ Idol
therealljidol
LJ Idol: a writing rollercoaster with iffy brakes

Tags

Powered by LiveJournal.com