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Green Room - Week 25 - Day 7

Everyone thinks they are the good guy of the story.

Even people who say they don't, on some level, yeah, it's about them and their struggles against things that have led to them being in their position, that if only they could conquer, the world would see and appreciate them for who they are.

It's one of those tips you always hear for writing characters - that the "villain" probably isn't going to be thinking "I'm a villain!", they are ones out to make things better. Maybe "better" is "ruled by them" or "all humans are dead", but they can see things in a way that no one else seems to be able to process.

In real life, it's part of what makes interaction with people so much fun, and often frustrating... because they are often *not* just "out to get you", you are wrong, and they are going to show you that you are wrong! ;)

Which works just fine when you are the one correcting *them*... :D

The reality of course is that everyone is probably a bit of an asshole, and the middle ground is somewhere no one wants to be, but probably should find a way to get to...

Sure, there are definitely issues where that isn't the best move and where the "other side" has nothing to stand on. One of those, of course, is (insert your favorite cause here) because that's something where no reasonable person could possibly find disagreement on!!!

Often, people who are *trying* to do something good (from their perspective) discover that they have become someone else's bad guys. The Facebook example comes to mind, when they had enough of the fake accounts being used to harass their members and sully the message boards, they came up with a "Everyone has to use their real name!" policy to try for some accountability.

As soon as they did, people started complaining because of all of the *legitimate reasons* why someone might not use their "real name" online, and how they were putting them in danger.

Was Facebook out to harm those who suffered from abuse, or could possibly suffer if their "real name" got out? I really doubt someone was sitting in a Facebook office cackling over that idea. It probably came as a "Oh, didn't think of that... damn, how can we make this work?" moment that took them awhile to process and find a solution. (or just outright change directions and decide *not* to do it)

These discussions, and yeah, even the mini explosions that happen within online communities now and again are good because they are people from very diverse backgrounds coming together and discussing things, often from very different vantage points. As long as everyone keeps their cool, and actually *talks* about it, it can be a very good thing. Of course, since it's the internet, there probably isn't much hope for that. ;)

Then again, they are bad. We are good. That's all you really need to know, isn't it?!?


Speaking of "good" - there are TWO POLLS worth of good material out there, and you have to cast your votes on what is going to make it through to compete another round! http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/795700.html is the main competition and http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/796295.html is Last Chance Idol.

What have been some of your personal favorites from each, and what was it about them that you enjoyed so much?


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Oct. 22nd, 2014 02:51 pm (UTC)
I'm currently watching the clusterfuck that is #gamergate so yeah, I don't have much hope for the internet.
Facebook most often has me facepalming, thinking "Really, who thought THAT was a good idea?"

Oct. 22nd, 2014 03:13 pm (UTC)
The more I know, the more I want that entire section of the internet to fall into deep, deep pit. With a monster at the bottom of the pit.

Scratch that last part - I like monsters too much.

In fact, scratch the pit part as well, I respect pits too much to make them go through that.
Oct. 22nd, 2014 02:54 pm (UTC)
Sitting in the waiting room at the dentist's right now. I'll add more when I'm back home.
Oct. 22nd, 2014 03:18 pm (UTC)
I've been thinking a lot lately, as I've realized that I am just as ignorant and egotistical as anyone else and that a lot of things I used to think or feel or believe in were wrong.

It helps to realize that I am not alone in that though, and that to be human is to be egotistical and ignorant.

I think it's just the nature of being limited to the perspective from inside your own head. And yeah, you can train yourself to see other perspectives, but it's a struggle and it takes a lifetime and even the wisest elders have trouble with it still sometimes.

Edited at 2014-10-22 03:19 pm (UTC)
Oct. 22nd, 2014 06:16 pm (UTC)
Yes. Do you know TS Eliot? Particularly "The Four Quartets" -

“The only wisdom we can hope to acquire
Is the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.

The houses are all gone under the sea.

The dancers are all gone under the hill.”
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Oct. 22nd, 2014 03:20 pm (UTC)
Richard Gloucester as written by Shakespeare can be seen as just evil.
Oct. 22nd, 2014 03:26 pm (UTC)
Philippa Gregory, too. I'm only saying that because I'm in the middle of The Kingmaker's Daughter, which is the third book in her series about the War of the Roses. Yes, there may be some inaccuracies, but I also love historical fiction something fierce. So, I'm kind of torn.

But, wow, Richard is such an asshole. Such, such an asshole.

In real life, however, Richard III probably wasn't half as bad as fiction made him out to be. That's the funny part, I think. He's gone down as one of history's greatest villains, and yet he enacted a lot of laws that protected the common folk of England.

Then again, there was that nasty business with the Princes in the Tower. So, you know. There's that.
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Oct. 22nd, 2014 05:08 pm (UTC)
Mm. I'm not a good person and I've done some really terrible things, but most of what I did made sense and felt right at the time. Or I knew it was wrong but I was too mad or too indifferent to care. So I understand that.

I've only read most of the LCI entries so far, so I'll have to comment again once I've made it through the main poll, but crackpotpie wrote something really special.

Oct. 22nd, 2014 05:53 pm (UTC)
Holy shit! Thanks!
Oct. 22nd, 2014 06:09 pm (UTC)
Trying again tomorrow with the whole "new LJ Spotlight", but I'm not expecting much of a difference.

Anyone see any differences on their end?
Oct. 22nd, 2014 08:47 pm (UTC)
Nope, other than we're #14 on the home page. The usual suspects (ONTD and their ilk plus a few Russian-based communities) are further up on the list.

I wonder how many people actually look at the home page? I had to manually click onto it since I automatically connect to my friends page.
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Oct. 22nd, 2014 08:50 pm (UTC)
I've been enjoying the creepy stories this go-round. It must be that time of the year.

In other news, one of my co-workers has convinced me I may have a stress fracture in my foot. Guess who's calling the doctor's office tomorrow morning?
Oct. 22nd, 2014 09:01 pm (UTC)
I've got a ton of healed stress fractures in both my ankles. I cracked a couple of metatarsals a few winters ago too. They all healed on their own -- no casts or anything like that -- although I did have to wear one of those clumsy space boots for a bit. That was a blast, especially in the middle of winter :p
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Oct. 22nd, 2014 10:39 pm (UTC)
Whoa, the Green Room's a bit slow today!

To address the first part—everyone wants to think that they are the main character in their own story. The main character is usually the hero (sometimes the antihero or a Byronic hero), and so there's a little bit of self-blindness—you think that what you're doing is "good" (or "good" for your own ends), with a few exceptions.

Learning to recognize that everyone is the hero in their own story is something that takes a lot of time and most people struggle with. Being able to empathize with someone and realize that they're just as real and complex and strange as you are can be nigh-on impossible, especially if you're coming at things from radically different points of view. It's easy to dismiss the other side as being "fundamentally wrong" (and let's not beat around the bush—sometimes they are!). It's more difficult to try to evaluate someone's stance from a position of empathy and understanding.

...with that said! I really loved malinaldarose's story and I'm surprised that she's not doing better in the polls! It's a unique take on the mermaid idea (which a lot of us wrote about this weekend), verging into fantasy without stating clearly if it is nitrogen narcosis or they're "real". Plus, it's written in her careful, delicate prose that has been such a joy to read this season. :D
Oct. 23rd, 2014 04:00 am (UTC)
I never thought I was the "good guy" of the story.
Really. I have never felt that I was "the center of attention"; rather, I'm a minor background character and someone else is the actual protagonist. As for my actual role: at best, I'm the comic relief... and more likely, I'm the incompetent schlub whose sole purpose in the story is to make the true hero look better by comparison...
Oct. 23rd, 2014 11:44 am (UTC)
Re: I never thought I was the "good guy" of the story.
But that guy's the best part of the story! I mean, c'mon, who really needs to see another instance of the Hero With a Thousand Faces triumph over dragons et al. to win yon fair person-who-identifies-as-maiden? That story's as old as humanity. The comic relief adds flavor and, in some cases, wisdom you weren't expecting. (And the schlub usually undergoes unexpected character development that prompts the hero to change for the better, too.)
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