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Green Room - Week 20 - Day 1

If you hand a 9-year old a loaded Uzi, is it a "reasonable assumption" that sooner or later, you are going to end up dead?

What about other loaded weapons in the hands of irresponsible adults?

Adults you didn't know at the time were as irresponsible as they turned out to be?

Exactly where is that line between "the person who shot should know better" and "I should have never handed them the gun"?

Is there a level of personal responsibility for putting your own life at risk and if so, where is the line? How about when you stay in your home during a hurricane evacuation?

Does the responsibility rest in the hands of the shooter? Is there a point where that shooter is too young to have "known better" and if so, what is that point?

Do gun owners deserve to not have guns used as an analogy every time you want to talk about other things?

This seems to be an evolving dialogue, with those "old benchmarks" continuing to be examined and changed. Part of that is good, people should always be taking a good hard look at themselves and their culture. Part of it is also ends up confusing, as groups of people grow more apart based upon where they fall in their answers.

Hopefully, at the end of the day, it's conversations about what matters to us, and why, that end up bringing people closer together and questioning the "why" things matter, and what to do as a culture to make things better.


Not sure any of that made sense - but one thing that *does* make sense is that I have a bunch of links to post for you!

We had eliminations last night: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/776190.html
We also had a new topic, with a twist! http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/776330.html
and a Work Room for people to find a partner for the first Intersection of Season 9! http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/776594.html

One of your fellow contestants put together something to help you out. It's unofficial, but it's there for anyone who needs it: http://karmasoup.livejournal.com/39857.html


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Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:03 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the shout out.
Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:05 pm (UTC)
You're FIRST!!!
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Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:08 pm (UTC)
I calculated it this morning -- this is my first full day off in 9 days. No wonder why I've been almost-nearly walking dead :p

(no, not a zombie but certainly feeling like one...if they're capable of feeling anything, that is)

I'm torn between doing the stuff I'd earmarked to do today or vegetating. My body wants the latter while my head is like OMG DON'T EVEN THINK OF IT. Story of my life.

Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:47 pm (UTC)
I can relate to this.
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Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:11 pm (UTC)
I wish I had never heard this story and had no idea what you were talking about right now. My wife told me about it the other day and it depressed me for a long time.
Sep. 2nd, 2014 08:05 pm (UTC)
See, that was easy :)
Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:14 pm (UTC)
I hate guns...I wrote about it for my scare quotes entry.

Thanks, karmasoup, for the pair-up chart! I left my info there for ya!
Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:30 pm (UTC)
Sep. 2nd, 2014 03:49 pm (UTC)
That may be just about one of the coolest icons I've ever seen.
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Sep. 2nd, 2014 04:14 pm (UTC)
Not sure if this says anything about this group, or about LJ in general. From the front page (Top LJ posts)

Anyone want a wedding photo of Ashlee Simpson and Evan Ross? Celeb magazines… — ohnotheydidnt 07:34
Congratulations to Ashlee Simpson and Evan Ross, son of singer Diana Ross, who married at the diva’s Connecticut home on Saturday. Sadly, any hopes Simpson had of financing an extravagant honeymoon by selling exclusive pictures to a celeb magazine had to stop, in the name of reality. No one…
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2. Lee Byung Hun was blackmailed by GLAM’s Dahee — omonatheydidnt 11:11
Lee Byung Hun Received Blackmail from a Rookie Singer, Perpetrators Caught and Arrested BH Entertainment, actor Lee Byung Hun‘s agency, revealed that the actor has received blackmail threatening to release his personal information. On September 1, BH Entertainment released a statement…
3. Work Room - Week 20 — therealljidol 22:31, yesterday
You've seen the topic post and are probably now scrambling around with that "WTF" look on your faces. http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/776330.html Some of you may be cackling with glee. So, I'll make it easier by providing links to information about the topics themselves. Who to partner…

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Sep. 2nd, 2014 04:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Wow
Actually, 6 of the "Top comments" from their Top 60 are LJ IDOL RELATED!

Again, not sure if that just says something about the state of Livejournal (and that it was down all morning)
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Sep. 2nd, 2014 04:24 pm (UTC)
I'm still looking for a confirmed (or Bar/Bat Mitzvahed) partner! I've put forth feelers towards both hosticle_fifer and xlovebecomesher but haven't yet heard back from either.

Just thought I'd put this here in the GR too. I'm most interested in writing on either Rapture or Shibusa, if it matters. I promise I'm fun and moderately easy to work with, and I've done Intersections several times before. Thanks!
Sep. 2nd, 2014 04:50 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I am now back in front of a computer. Yeah, let's do it! I messaged you back.
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Sep. 2nd, 2014 04:58 pm (UTC)
Do gun owners deserve to not have guns used as an analogy every time you want to talk about other things?


The parents and the "instructor" are completely culpable. The daughters of the dead man have reached out to the young girl in the hopes that they can reassure her that they don't hold her responsible and that they don't want her life to bend off this hinge. How can it not, though? I can't even imagine what the parents were thinking. I do know that this man's death was sheer negligence and not a freak accident. Poor safety practices and the gun absolutely positively needed to be strapped to the shooting table. Period.

But what about people who know someone is inebriated and allow that person to climb behind the wheel of a car?

I have a friend who died in a hunting accident. I have two friends who were killed by a drunk driver. I feel far more rage about the drunk driver.

Six hundred folks die in gun "accidents" yearly. Ten thousand people are killed in drunk driving accidents every twelve months.

The boy who killed our friend in a duck blind killed himself two years later. He simply could no longer live with the devastation he had unintentionally wrought when he tripped with a loaded shotgun in his hands. The man who killed my friends, their three cousins, paralyzed a fourth cousin, and killed a family of three in another car did light jail time and did not go on to do works of charity. He was pulled over a few years later for...yeah, not brandishing a gun, but driving under the influence.

I understand that guns are scary and that cars are as everyday as toasters. But this country needs perspective on how innocent lives are lost.
Sep. 3rd, 2014 03:23 am (UTC)
We lost a very close family friend to a drunk driver in Jan of 2013, she was 24. Driving and guns are both responsibilities and privileges. They should be taken seriously at all times. I do not think children under the age of sixteen should be shouting uzi's.

Those parents should be charged, on some child abuse level, and court appointed family/individual counseling should be sentence.

Just my opinion.
Sep. 2nd, 2014 04:59 pm (UTC)
If you hand a 9-year old a loaded Uzi, is it a "reasonable assumption" that sooner or later, you are going to end up dead?

I would not say, "are going to," but it's a reasonable assumption that SOMEONE _might_ end up dead, including you. Because... nine-year-old!

Who is now probably scarred for life, but given that she's being raised by the kind of parents who think that going on a shooting-range expedition is an awesome event for the whole family... that was probably inevitable. :(

Why do I have the impression that the instructor's family now wants to sue the family of the nine-year-old, for wrongful death? :(
Sep. 2nd, 2014 06:32 pm (UTC)
IMO, if you're not in law enforcement or the military, there's really no good reason for you to need target practice with an Uzi. You don't need an Uzi to defend yourself or your home, unless you really believe in the zombie apocalypse. And you're not going to hunt with an Uzi, unless you're hunting humans.

The day it happened, I watched the video. It's ridiculous how little a 9 year old girl is, and it's insane how close to her he was standing. You can't expect a child to handle the recoil, or have the awareness of the consequences.

I grew up around guns, because my dad was a hunter. When I was 9 yo, he was still putting the fear of God into me if I even touched the gun case.
Sep. 2nd, 2014 07:31 pm (UTC)
I'm back to *squish* Gary and link to my journal entry -


Thank you, Idolars.

(this was for a short short I wrote last year not an Idol piece)
Sep. 2nd, 2014 07:36 pm (UTC)
*kicks you for being a hippie*

Oh, and congratulations! ;)

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Sep. 2nd, 2014 07:44 pm (UTC)
It's absolutely allowed! If enough people start Home Gaming, I'll give you folks your own thread! :)

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Sep. 2nd, 2014 07:48 pm (UTC)
I was actually thinking about that analogy last week when a new anon Sims blog popped up and the owner tried to say that she wasn't responsible for what she posted, that it was just what the community submitted.

If you create the blog for anonymous submissions, thus handing immature cruel possibly disordered people the gun, are you responsible when they shoot it and use your blog's anonymous submissions to harass people and spew hate towards them?

Personally, I think the creator of the blog is very much responsible. She made the choice to make anonymous hate public and to give it a forum. No one forced her to.
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