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Green Room - Week 25 - Day 5

I came across some questions posted in a thread elsewhere, so I'll answer them here. Because that's what I do, stalk people... I mean, answer questions...

While I'm posting them though, you should be over checking out all the entries at http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/1034591.html and deciding who will be our Top 10!

There was some talk about last week's voting and how the poll numbers have been going down. I've noticed. Which is why I keep emphasizing how important it is for folks to spread the word. Because this thing can't operate in a vacuum and Livejournal is a bit of a vacuum in and of itself these days. (and Dreamwidth continues to be a little worse from what I've been hearing) Which means that bringing fresh eyes to what's happening here is important. Granted, some people don't like tying their social media accounts together, and I get that. And some people just don't really have an social media presence at all to begin with... I get that as well. It just makes it a little more difficult and hopefully the people who *do* have those, and don't have a problem with mentioning other sites can continue to push the word out. Especially former contestants and those lurking.

One thing that may surprise folks - actually, it probably *will* surprise folks is that not every contestant votes. Not going to point any fingers here, but last week, the week where people were talking about a low turn-out, there were about 4 of the 13 who didn't... stuff happens. But it's pretty regular for not every contestant to vote, not even for themselves. Which given how many weeks have ended with someone leaving due to a single vote - that's crucial. I've said it before, and I will repeat it forever - if you can't believe in your own work enough to vote for it, why should anyone else?

Again though, people build their own priorities and their own set of rules over what they will and will not do - and there are some (past and present) who want to live and die solely by whatever the people who happen to walk into the room at any given time think of their entry for that week.

Oh, and there was a comment about who can vote - that one is really important. Other than those rare weeks with a special vote, anyone can vote. You can have a LJ, Open ID account, FB, Twitter, and a couple Russian based sites that I've never heard of... and you can cast a vote! (Just make sure to only use *1* of those... because voting multiple times is "not cool".)

The only people who can't vote are that list of those who are banned... which includes trolls and people who proved that they really can't handle playing nice with others to the extent that they just had to blocked. Believe me, if you are one of those folks, you'd know it. Which means, if you aren't - then absolutely show up to make your voice heard!

There was an idea (that I've heard before, because at this point I've heard most things before... :D) ) at there should be separate "Fiction Idol" and "Non-Fiction Idol"... which I'll come right out and say I'm not doing twice the work. ;) Also, and I think this is important thing to point out - that it's the diversity of work that is important. I WANT an atmosphere where people can show up with fiction, and then tell a real life story, and submit a comic, then a screenplay, and write a song and record themselves singing it. That is exciting to me. That is what I think Idol is, and should be at it's core - a place where writers can create whatever they want, in whatever format fires up their muse that week.

People like what they like though - and I get that some people would rather see more fiction - and others would rather see more non... and to that I'll just come back around to an earlier point and say *vote for it*. Everything comes down to voting. If you want to see less of a certain thing, don't support it. If you want to see more of something else - support it. Vote. Tell your friends about things you enjoy. That's how each season is shaped, by the people who show up and are passionate about what Idol is, and can be.


I was also reminded, and had to go check, that Season 8 was almost *6 years ago*... which means we've been doing mini seasons and longer breaks for longer than we haven't. Which, that's interesting to me, considering just how much of Idol history is in those first 7... I've been leaning strongly toward a "pop up" mini-season sometime in the Fall or early Winter. I'll keep you informed as those plans crystalize. Right now though, my goals are finishing this season with a bang and another Idol Minor to start the school year off right.


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Jul. 26th, 2017 02:43 am (UTC)
I couldn't remember my password for the account I played with this season XD

Anyhow, I'm someone who consistently didn't vote for anything, including myself, when I was still in the competition. I didn't think it was fair for me to vote when I didn't have time to read anything, so I mainly voted on those weeks that I did. I was more likely to ask someone else to vote for me to stay in than vote for myself those weeks, until I started needing my own votes too.

Gary, I'm amused at you listing all those formats when I've done, like, all of those things (although I think I only home gamed the comic strip).

I'm currently on an epic 3 week road trip across like the south west quarter of the US, visiting friends and family, so I haven't been paying too much attention to what's happening here. But I'm in Castle Rock, Colorado for the next few days (leaving Friday afternoon or Saturday morning for Nebraska), and so I have a little better access to Internet at the moment. Wyoming is a big hole when it comes to accessing the Internet. I spent a couple of days in Laramie visiting family, and my phone would not connect to mobile Internet, and the motel wifi was very spotty.

After I see my cousin in Nebraska, I'll be galavanting through Kansas and Oklahoma to get to Austin, Texas, to see one of my former improv troupe members, then El Paso to see an aunt, and scooting back to California to visit some friends of my parents in San Diego and hopefully also two of my friends made from past Idol seasons who live in Long Beach, before finally heading home.
Jul. 26th, 2017 03:32 am (UTC)
Castle Rock, Colorado sounds very Stephen King-ish. So many of the places you mention evoke images of the wild west and American romance. Happy trails! ;-)
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Jul. 26th, 2017 03:29 am (UTC)
Since I "joined" the only times I haven't voted were when I took a bye. The two I have taken were when I was pretty run down and just needed to rest.

Gary, I don't understand why there are not hordes of potential contestants breaking down the doors to play, and to vote. This is the best thing since the wheel was invented!
Jul. 26th, 2017 04:30 am (UTC)
The hordes of people disappeared with the advent of Other Social Media. People, especially those who aren't writers, seem to be no longer fond of this type of communication. We're now the minority, unfortunately.
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Jul. 26th, 2017 03:48 am (UTC)
That is a disheartening post, even worse than mine!!
Jul. 26th, 2017 02:44 pm (UTC)
The good thing is that people *care*. Honestly, I think this season has been good despite the low turn-out of contestants, and voters. As long as people are still getting something out of the experience, that's what I care about. (Well, OK, I also want enough people and new faces to keep things interesting...)
Jul. 26th, 2017 05:37 am (UTC)
This should be the name of a book! Hugs and peace everyone. Am still alive. I DON'T have cancer, but a nasty infection that hardened. Called Actinomycosis. I encourage people to look it up as I am too tired to write much more. This is the only reason I haven't been participating... wait until I am ready to go again however!

Am currently in rehab ( no- no- no) and wish I knew how long oI'|| be here. 'Licia.. can answer any questions. 🐀🐀🐀👽👾🐌🐀🐀🐀

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Jul. 26th, 2017 07:22 am (UTC)
I am sorry to know about this :/ *Hugs* Sending some good wishes your way. Get well soon <3 Take care.
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Jul. 26th, 2017 09:14 am (UTC)
I vote for what I enjoy though I'm not sure it makes a difference much like all voting :P But there is a streak of "sympathy voting" for want of a better word on non-fic posts, and/or a bias for people who have active f-lists. At least the contestant and other closed voting rounds do help even that out :)

I never voted for myself when I played. Most polls (eg 20in20 icons when that was more of a thing) never allowed you to vote for your own work so it didn't even occur to me. And seems a little wrong to me somehow, I wrote it, of course I'm (mostly) pleased with it, but it's about getting others to show support for it. But, self-confidence issues *shrug*
Jul. 26th, 2017 01:11 pm (UTC)
"Most polls (eg 20in20 icons when that was more of a thing) never allowed you to vote for your own work so it didn't even occur to me. "

Having never been in that world, it never occurred to me that there would be a poll where someone *couldn't* vote for themselves. It always surprised me when people didn't.

Actually, I'm not sure how that's enforced, unless there's an LJ-poll trick that I don't know (always possible) where you can block someone from doing that. Otherwise, then it becomes matter of having to police the situation, and that seems silly and counterproductive to punish someone for voting for supporting their own work. (and most likely if someone *really* wanted to "cheat the system", there are ways around it...)

"But, self-confidence issues *shrug*

Someone on Livejournal with self-confidence issues??? What??? *shocked face*. ;)
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Jul. 26th, 2017 01:07 pm (UTC)
I just vote for what I like. I have found that the "like" barrier changes from week to week, and is very hard to define. I have also given sympathy votes, but sometimes not, depending on how hard-hearted I am feeling. I also sometimes vote for an entry of a person whose work I generally like, but may not feel is honestly up to snuff that week, because we're all entitled to off weeks now and then.

I found the voting information very interesting, and not what I expected. In these later stages, I expected that everyone who posted something voted. I can understand not voting for your self, but I always do, even if I'm not particularly fond of my entry. It's my reward for all the work that went into it. I thought that more people who were eliminated recently would still be voting, especially because there is so much less to read. Remember the 100+ early days?
Jul. 26th, 2017 01:59 pm (UTC)
I thought that more people who were eliminated recently would still be voting, especially because there is so much less to read. Remember the 100+ early days?

People tend to lose interest once they're eliminated. They also, nowadays, tend to lose interest in LJ altogether if they're no longer playing Idol.
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Jul. 26th, 2017 02:17 pm (UTC)
That's interesting about the voting. I think the only weeks I didn't vote were my bye weeks.

I usually vote for what I like/think is written well (though those mostly go hand in hand, of course). I may do a little more 'sympathy voting' when there are 100+ entries but not so much after that.

The first time (and only other time) I played, I was lame and disappeared after I was out. But this season has been so much fun and I really enjoy reading everyone's entries, so I hope to stay actively reading and voting as long as I can. Even the Minor season when I won't know anyone at all.
Jul. 26th, 2017 02:51 pm (UTC)
Like many here I tend to take bye weeks off from everything. Otherwise I make time to read - in the early days maybe not everything but at least the poll I'm in - and vote. Trying to define what I vote for is difficult, it falls into the 'I know it when I see it' category. I do tend to get tougher as the game goes on.

Some years I've disappeared after being voted out/dropping out, but I'm usually invested enough to keep reading and find out what happens. I think the jury really helps with this - it keeps people involved by giving them a task. I have no idea how many jury members stay active but there are ~25 of us now.
Jul. 26th, 2017 03:44 pm (UTC)
Jul. 26th, 2017 07:42 pm (UTC)
Season 8 was when I started in Idol. It's odd to think that it's been that long.

Even odder, I think, was talking to a friend last night, trying to explain what Idol is, and then taking a look and seeing that I've written over a hundred pieces for it. That's a trip. :)

Thanks for doing this, Gary. Idol wouldn't be Idol without you.
Jul. 26th, 2017 11:40 pm (UTC)
I can't comprehend not voting for your own piece. That's like not advocating for yourself. Actually, it is not advocating for yourself. I always vote for me because if I don't promote my own work with a slightly-longer vote bar, then why should I expect other people to give it a chance?

True, nobody but Gary can see the votes, but if you lose by one vote and you didn't vote for you...

As for weeks when I can't vote I usually tried to vote for everyone. Reason being, everyone else took the time to write something, the least I could do is give a click for the effort. Sometimes even that was impossible, but I always tried.

Long story short, clicking buttons in polls is fun and everyone should do it.
Jul. 27th, 2017 05:04 pm (UTC)
I'll be honest: I enjoyed being in Idol when I participated 2 or 3 years ago. But there were TONS of entries every week and frankly, it would have been a full-time job to read and vote. Which is why I didn't sign up for another season. It's probably my fault that I didn't realize how massive the effort was going to be ahead of time, so when I was eliminated there was sort of a feeling of relief that I could have free time again.

Also, I at least am a full-time editor and writer at work, and again, it's my fault for not realizing it's not smart to promise your free time to doing nearly the same thing you spend your paid time doing every day. But the volume! LOL
Jul. 27th, 2017 11:27 pm (UTC)
And some people just don't really have an social media presence at all to begin with... I get that as well.

It made me very happy to see this. Every time you would implore us to "spread the word" and such I would silently scream "to who?!", because prior to signing up for LJidol there was exactly one person on the internet paying attention to anything I said on social media.

...which is why I have enjoyed participating so much! It's been awesome to have people reading and commenting on my stuff.

As for voting, I don't vote for anyone unless I at least take a look at everyone's entry. It just doesn't feel fair to have only read half of the entries and still vote for someone. Also, I am one of those people who for many months didn't realize we even could/should vote for ourselves. I know I've participated in other vote-based things where it was frowned upon and/or against the rules to vote for your own entry. I think conceptart.org's Creature of the Week was like that. So I went with that as the default assumption, only summoning the temerity to ask about it several weeks into the process.
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