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Green Room - Week 18 -Day 8

The new poll is up: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/1016144.html so make sure to support your favorites.


There is also a poll here. Not a formal one, and certainly not a binding one.

I still want to talk this through with some folks who will probably end up being heavily involved with the actual implementation of any of this, but I also want to put up a balloon and see what the response is.

Now that we are a little away from the initial responses to "LJ-ServerGate" (although in looking it up this morning, I realize that less actual time has passed than I thought. It's just things are longer in internet time than they are in reality), I was wondering where you were with it.

More importantly, where are you in regard to Idol.

On the table, right now, I want to do another Idol Minor (a mini season for kids) and I have the concept for a mini-season that if it worked out has the potential to be the "new template" for this sort of thing, and *may* be what we are going forward.

Here's the rub though - I don't know what's happening with LJ a month from now much less later this year. I don't know if this is blowing over the way most of the LJ-gates have (regardless of how passionate people get over the issue, they have always come back). I've seen people I know posting more over at Dreamwidth, and but I've heard there really isn't a lot of community there. Granted, Idol moving might *create* that...

Of course, there is also an added expense to Dreamwidth, in that I would need to buy paid accounts for both Idol and my personal account (where I test the code to make sure it's still working... as well as figuring out what needed to be changed in the poll code to make sure it worked... Patreon is nice for a little extra I can use toward the internet bill, which THANK YOU to our Patrons for that, but it doesn't cover the DW move... )

There's also the "third option" of moving into our own space. But that space would have to be created and that takes time and money. (I have to get back to talking to someone and hearing more about at least one option on the table in regard to that.) But, of course, that's completely remaking the wheel.

And, of course - because I can hear it now, there's the "You should stop trying to keep it alive and let it die". That's from people who think whenever they leave the room, all the lights should be turned out. :)

Factored in to all of this is that my life, and time availability aren't what they used to be. I still can make it work, but if Idol were the size, and as active, it was back in Season 7, I might be in trouble. :D) (and no, before anyone volunteers, I'm NOT looking for someone else to take over - or even "help run things")

I go through these emotional waves when I don't see much happening in the Green Room and I think "Well, it was a good run..." and then I read the entries and I can excited again, because damnnit, these things are out there - existing in the world because I bothered to care. (and forced you to write them, under threats of ultra violence!)

I'm still making up my mind on what to do. And given that people tend to respond to these kinds of posts, there will probably be another update later in the season when I say much the same thing. Mostly because I want to take the temperature.

So open up and say "ahhh", or I will have to try this another way....


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May. 19th, 2017 01:03 pm (UTC)

If I had to give you my preferences, I'd order them thusly:

1. Keep it here on LJ.
2. Build a stand-alone Independent Idol site.
3. Go to dreamwidth.

But I'll follow wherever.

Edited at 2017-05-19 04:03 pm (UTC)
May. 19th, 2017 04:21 pm (UTC)
You are *DEAD* to me!

(Hands you a cookie)
(no subject) - millysdaughter - May. 20th, 2017 02:58 am (UTC) - Expand
May. 19th, 2017 01:58 pm (UTC)
these things are out there - existing in the world because I bothered to care. (and forced you to write them, under threats of ultra violence!)
May. 19th, 2017 02:11 pm (UTC)
Threats really are the best way of motivating people! :)

(no subject) - rswndrlst - May. 19th, 2017 02:20 pm (UTC) - Expand
May. 19th, 2017 02:17 pm (UTC)
In all the mass exodus from Livejournal this is the only time I've left. I personally love idol and would stick around for it anywhere. This format has never been the most reader friendly though I definitely do understand why it's handled the way it is. Best of luck on your tough choices.
May. 19th, 2017 02:21 pm (UTC)
I'm going where Idol goes! I started a DW account, but I find it harder to use for non-internet nerds like me. :)
May. 19th, 2017 02:32 pm (UTC)
I'll be around whatever and wherever and I think the girls can be persuaded to come around for Idol Minor again :)
May. 19th, 2017 03:17 pm (UTC)
I go where Idol goes. I have a DW account, ( and I don't mean Disney World) LOL
Just keep us posted!
May. 19th, 2017 03:39 pm (UTC)
I think Idol Minor is a good idea and worth trying, either as a competition with elimination or a forum for younger writers.

I will follow Idol wherever it goes. I don't know anything about DW or a stand alone site, so I will leave that to people with actual knowledge. In the end, it is the people who make Idol.
May. 19th, 2017 04:05 pm (UTC)
Also, my girls are interested in writing for kid idol! But if it happens over summer they wouldn't be able to participate because they will be Internet-less for long stretches.
May. 19th, 2017 04:21 pm (UTC)
Today is the first day I've signed into LJ since the whole new TOS went into effect. Yes, that means I haven't been voting, or even reading entries and for that, I apologize to the LJI community. Chalk it up to "Reasons" for lack of any better excuse.

I credit Idol, and the community at large, for the some of the amazing successes I have had in my life since my breakdown in 2003. I am 100% sure I would not be where I am today without the friends that I made here, without the risks that I took, without the encouragement to grow and improve. Most important is the rebuilding of my relationship with my mom myrna_bird, and from there, finally working on relationships with other members of my family - relationships I always thought would be out of reach.

Writing continues to be just a hobby for me; I don't see myself having the dedication that is needed to make a career out of it. When I do venture into the deep end of the pool, which isn't as often as I would like given my current employment constraints, the validation, and the support from the readers and voters, has always helped me move past whatever emotional issue I was working on at the time.

I'm not sure where Idol should go from here. I know that I will continue to support the community in the small ways that I do, even if those small ways are not particularly visible, no matter where the community ends up.

Edited at 2017-05-19 04:22 pm (UTC)
May. 19th, 2017 05:59 pm (UTC)
" I know that I will continue to support the community in the small ways that I do, even if those small ways are not particularly visible"

For those who don't know - Spydie is *very* involved. Or at least has been in the past when our schedules match up. She's done a lot of our graphics and revolutionized the poll format. (among many, many things)

There are a few people who, over the course of years, can be pointed to - and an argument made, for "the most influential Non-Gary" person on Idol being what it is, and Spydie is in that conversation.
May. 19th, 2017 04:29 pm (UTC)
I prefer posting my entries to my LJ because I still have more friends here than over there, but I have a DW account, so I'd be in even if it switches. To there or somewhere else.

The only other time I played Idol, I had to drop out relatively early, so this time I promised myself I would see it through for as long as it went. I write fanfic all the time but I almost never write non-fiction, so everything I've done this season (hopefully so far) has been really special to me. It's nice to have a reason to write other things and concentrate on other types of writing.

So yeah, I definitely want to do it again, no matter where/when that may be.
May. 19th, 2017 05:11 pm (UTC)
I've kind of accepted the necessary evil/inevitable doom of it all. There's more to worry about than livejournal.

I'll probably stay on livejournal until either the lights go out or they decide they have ownership of our writing and start selling it. I will also happily migrate over to dreamwidth or any other place you choose to move Idol.

I have created a Dreamwidth account and then promptly gave up. I am very far removed from the young, excited 2006 me I was when I created my livejournal account. I really can't be bothered. But I'm sure I can still use it to Idol.

Maybe see how things go for the next few months. And if need be, maybe both? Do the accounts absolutely have to be paid? I used to manage quite a lot on unpaid accounts.
May. 19th, 2017 05:39 pm (UTC)
When "The Great LJ Earthquake" happened, I was very quick to move everything to DW......because there is a lot I don't want to lose in my 17 years here. A lot of good and bad memories.

I'll still probably look at LJ, every once in a while......but as a lot of people have said, "Life, and stuff....."

If Idol moves, I'll try to move with it.
May. 19th, 2017 05:44 pm (UTC)
That was me, BTW.

Forgot to log in
May. 19th, 2017 05:59 pm (UTC)
I've been crossposting from Dreamwidth and poking into Idol when I have the time (not very often, these days, because my personal life has kind of imploded).

I'm not sure what the right answer is, Gary. I do know I'll keep up with Idol no matter where it ends up.
May. 19th, 2017 06:12 pm (UTC)
I wish I had an answer for you, Gary. You know I'm always going to be around in some way no matter where Idol ends up, even if I'm not around as much as I'd like to be (this season thus far, for starters).

I'm on DW too but I hardly do anything with it. Initially I was going to take my X-number of total Idol entries and move them there but the thought of spending hours doing so kind of killed it.

I confess I sometimes play the "let it die" choice in my head only because Idol's not what it used to be because LJ's not what it used to be. I'm of the "let's keep the memories" ilk rather than trying to recapture that essence time and again.

Then Idol starts up again...and here I am.
May. 19th, 2017 06:32 pm (UTC)
-If possible stay here...I don't have a DW account, used to, never used it, don't like DW

-Creating our own space sounds interesting

-Love the idea of a Kids writing forum. Could include "softer" competition.

-I would pay more to participate in seasons and mini-seasons

-Yes to mini-season where we have new challenges

P.S. I like LJ. I doubt I will ever move to DW unless Idol moves. I plan to move all my Idol entries to Archive of Our Own...someday.
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