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Green Room - Week 17 - Day 2

Because people were asking, I sent out my suggestions to everyone for what they should do with their topic. http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/1010245.html

It was from my super-secret email, so you may not have recognized where it was from, and in a Google Doc. I hope you received it and have taken what I've said to heart. I put a lot of time and effort in that.


The Write-Off ends tonight: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/1011081.html

So make sure your voice is heard on who is going to be sticking around!


The Work Room is up for anyone who needs to bounce off ideas/get advice/plot my doom: http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/1010511.html


The question that was asked in the Green Room yesterday was "What book were you given as young person, by a older person with an agenda".

I really couldn't think of any.

The closest I have is Ulysses by James Joyce, which my high school English teacher let me borrow, because I was bored with everything else they were teaching that year. So just read that instead and had alternative assignments based on that book where I wrote a couple papers and talked to him about it.

Nothing really before that comes to mind though... although there were always people with agendas trying to get me to listen to bands they loved, I almost never liked them. (even though, they were right. I like them now)


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May. 4th, 2017 02:36 pm (UTC)
*FRIST!* *Snoopy happy dance*

Not sure if she had an agenda, but my 11th grade English/Lit teacher had everyone in class read "Walden"

I hated that book.

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May. 4th, 2017 03:06 pm (UTC)
I had a lot of pretty amazing adult teacher friends growing up whose agenda was to share good writing with those of us inclined to enjoy it and be excited about it, whether it was literature or fun sci fi or just more current stuff. And I'm still grateful to them and in some cases still taking reading suggestions from them on the facespace.

My parents were teachers and shared books with their teacher friends too, and I benefited from this as well, although it did result in some awkward moments, like when the librarian's aide caught me reading her borrowed copy of Double Whammy by Haissen when I was maybe 10 and she didn't think it was age appropriate.

And then sometimes enjoyable writing has an agenda of it's own. I liked Ayn Rand's Anthem a lot at 13, but I still remember my mom discussing it with me and being all, "I really don't think the things she fears are the things we need to spend energy worrying about."
May. 4th, 2017 03:46 pm (UTC)
Ulysses is a perfect example of an adult rec that is usually too much for younger readers. Not content wise, obviously, just literary-wise. And yet it does get recommended.

There is definitely a difference between "I loved this book" and "I have an agenda in regards to this book".

May. 4th, 2017 08:29 pm (UTC)
It is interesting that so much of the high school English curriculum is based on books intended for, and read by, adults of the respective era, not the kids. It would be interesting to see how kids would respond to books written for their age group.
May. 4th, 2017 08:56 pm (UTC)
I am vehemently opposed to the YA genre. Especially as it seems entirely written for girls. I assume you are not referring to those titles.

I think young people do need to be challenged by literature but what constitutes appropriate? And for what reason(s)? Subject matter or style? Ulysses is a huge tome and although I, personally, enjoyed it, I'm not sure it has much worth to a high school student.

What are you thinking of in particular that would be a teachable list of books written for highschoolers? What titles do you think should not be in the curriculum?
May. 4th, 2017 09:26 pm (UTC)
I definitely did not mean YA! I have no recommendations in mind because my reading hasn't been in books likely to attract the interest of HS students. I am just assuming, perhaps wrongly, that of all the books out there, there must be some that capture the interest of more of the kids.
May. 4th, 2017 10:01 pm (UTC)
Oh I think that's a correct assumption! Absolutely! For the most part, I would think high school English and American and World Lit classes have more interesting titles than...their college equivalents.

I would also bet that most syllabi haven't changed too much in, oh say the past fifty years! And that can't be good...can it?
May. 4th, 2017 04:04 pm (UTC)
Not sure I got that email. Just the one for the topic.
May. 4th, 2017 05:37 pm (UTC)
I don't think I did either. I checked my spam folder and my trash folder in case I accidentally deleted it. No dice.
May. 4th, 2017 05:58 pm (UTC)
See that link I posted above. :)
May. 4th, 2017 06:02 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that as soon as I posted my reply. Gonna go read it now. :)
May. 4th, 2017 06:07 pm (UTC)

*backs away slowly*
May. 4th, 2017 05:36 pm (UTC)
I can't remember the exact title, but my grandmother gave me a book when I was four that was called something like "Jesus loves good little girls".

Any time I misbehaved, she'd look at me sternly and say, "Remember the book, Jennifer. Jesus only loves GOOD little girls."
May. 4th, 2017 08:34 pm (UTC)
Wow. Just. Wow.

Similar in my Catholic family - "you're making Jesus cry." For numerous offenses.
May. 4th, 2017 10:20 pm (UTC)
Regarding the "list of suggestions," my first thought was "that doesn't seem like something he'd actually do," followed by "there was that weird and suspicious email...I guess that might be him sending out a joke list?" Fortunately I read comments and saw the link to the news article before I cam even close to actually clicking on the phishing thing, but even so...I hope everyone gets that you were joking before they go back and actually click on the thing.
May. 4th, 2017 10:56 pm (UTC)
For books given to me as a young person by adults, my uncle usually gave me five or six paperback SF/Fantasy novels every Christmas. Some I liked, some I didn't, but they definitely helped shape/expand what I was reading at that age.

I had a teacher when I was eleven who despised SF/Fantasy, and would complain about me reading at my desk before class started. He didn't want me even bringing the books into his classroom. You read that right; I had a teacher who discouraged me from reading. To this day I find it kind of unbelievable. Even if every word was garbage, at least I was reading _something_. He offered me extra credit if I'd read "Drums Along the Mohawk," and I tried, but I found it boring. Possibly this was because I was sick of anything to do with American history, because that was pretty much the only kind of history that had been taught to me in school up until that point.
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