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Green Room - Week 24 - Day 6

Happy 10 year +1 Day! ;)

There is an #AskGary event over on Twitter if you are interested: https://twitter.com/therealljidol/status/737667674939875328

Sure, you could just ask me anything here, whenever you feel like it. But this is a special twitter thing! ;)

There's a hashtag! We don't have a hashtag here! #wedonthaveahashtaghere

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Thank you to everyone who threw something into the hat. Just as a reminder to those who are still asking about it, Katie's graduation is tomorrow. Which means that anything donated *today* will go to her! Tomorrow? Not so much. So if you were one of those who wanted to give, today is your last chance: paypal.me/GDreslinski


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and speaking of "Last Chance" - http://therealljidol.livejournal.com/936711.html is the last chance for one of these contestants, so make sure that your voice is heard!

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Johnny Depp. Nothing to say about him that other people aren't already saying. But if you say "Johnny Depp" three times, people will appear to discuss him.

So, Johnny Depp...

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xo_kizzy_xo
Jun. 1st, 2016 01:57 pm (UTC)
Re Johnny Depp: There are two sides to every story. She's made hers public. What about his side? And what would his ex say?

It makes me think of all those seemingly happy couples back during Hollywood's Golden Age. "Seemingly" because the studios back then controlled their public personas and anything which deviated from those personas was quickly swept under the rug. I inherited a stack of books on classic Hollywood scandals (thanks Mom), and it makes for fascinating reading.

10 years and one day, eh? The very first Idol entry was back in '05 or '06? I first played in '07 :boggle:

Edited at 2016-06-01 01:57 pm (UTC)
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 02:22 pm (UTC)
2006. It was an entry from helenangel, which is unfortunately lost to the tide of history.
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 02:23 pm (UTC)
'07? That sounds about right, that would be Season 3.
xo_kizzy_xo
Jun. 1st, 2016 02:34 pm (UTC)
IIRC I don't think I officially played Season 3 but I did the Home Game (I remember finding out about idol via adpaz (we already knew each other via another message board). Maybe I did play, I don't remember LOL.

Season 4, OTOH...now THAT I did play.

Gah, do I feel old :p

ETA: Speaking of old, it just dawned on me that around this time of the year I'd be getting out of school in a couple of weeks and getting ready for Girl Scout camp. I stopped camp when I graduated, and my *cough* [insert obscene number here] *cough* reunion is in 2 YEARS.

I don't know why I'm on this "old" thing. I blame my knees :p

Edited at 2016-06-01 02:40 pm (UTC)
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 03:03 pm (UTC)
and I knew Amber from "Real Life"! :)

xo_kizzy_xo
Jun. 1st, 2016 03:07 pm (UTC)
I know :)
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 03:01 pm (UTC)
You reminded me that I hadn't checked Bingo's or Doug Stanhope's FBs. I've met them a few times and had the chance to hang out. They are friends with Depp, so while it wouldn't be "his side", it would at least be "people who know and like him" side.

I'm glad I did, because Doug had actually wrote something about it: http://www.thewrap.com/johnny-depp-is-being-blackmailed-by-amber-heard-heres-how-i-know-guest-column/

Not saying "what I believe" on the subject. Because who really cares what I believe? I'm just another spectator in this. But I thought it was interesting.
bleodswean
Jun. 1st, 2016 03:40 pm (UTC)
*wince* That column....is a study in contradictions.

I don't, personally, give a fig about celebrity lifestyle but I find this Depp/Heard issue to be strangely parallel to the gorilla issue. The outrage some folks can generate on a macro level is astonishing and would be so much better served if focused on a micro level. It's not fair, of course, to allegorize people's lives and tragedies, but in this culture that's where the teaching lies.
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 05:43 pm (UTC)
I didn't say it was *good*, just that I found it. :)

And now I have this image of what the internet would be like if Depp hit a gorilla with his cell phone. :O
bleodswean
Jun. 1st, 2016 05:57 pm (UTC)
Hahahahaha! THAT should be an Idol prompt!
kickthehobbit
Jun. 1st, 2016 05:31 pm (UTC)
Re: Depp/Heard—I find it strange that she has done literally everything we tell abuse victims to do, but is still being called a liar.

There's a lot of, "but what about..." that keeps coming out. Like, the rules have suddenly changed. If his exes say he's good, he must be good and she must be lying. If his friends say he's good, then...

We ignore the parts that don't fit—for instance, that two of his past partners have said that he could be violent and frightening, that other friends had previously said that he can be violent when drunk, that he has previously assaulted someone—all in an effort to flip the narrative and make him into the victim. Because, clearly, if we don't believe him, his career will be ruined!

I mean, just look at the other poor men that have been maliciously accused of violent behavior—Sean Penn and Mark Wahlberg, look at what happened to their careers! Clearly, we need to worry about Depp and what this will do to him, because even though she did everything you are supposed to, Amber Heard *must* be lying.

We won't accept any other narrative.
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 05:41 pm (UTC)
"I find it strange that she has done literally everything we tell abuse victims to do, but is still being called a liar. "

She really did - and the fact that she was able to get to restraining order should pretty much drive home that there was enough evidence to believe he was a threat.

That said, there are people who think the 9/11 was an "inside job".

There are people who think vaccines cause autism.

There are people who think Jim Morrison is still alive and hanging out with TuPac.

People are going to look for any reason to *not* believe something - and especially when it's still "a developing story" (we haven't seen how this particular chapter is going to end and what is going to come out during that time)
kickthehobbit
Jun. 1st, 2016 06:34 pm (UTC)
The thing is—the people who believe that vaccines cause autism and that Jim Morrison is still alive (and that we faked the moon landing and GMOs are going to kill us all) are generally regarded as being fairly fringe—they might be loud, but most reasonable people are not going to say, "oh yeah, I totally believe [conspiracy theory]!"

With allegations of domestic violence, though? There's this huge push to believe the victim is lying. It's not fringe—I'd argue that believing the victim is fringe. We're all, "innocent until proven guilty!" even with the availability of things like video evidence and witness statements. I really don't get it. We see it play out here, we see it play out with other cases (Steubenville, anyone?), and we always worry about how the "allegations" are going to affect the accused—without thinking about what the victim has gone through and must be going through. We don't worry about the person that's bringing the allegations. We think that they're lying, and we focus on the "effect" it's going to have on the accused, even though historically, false allegations are quite rare, and allegations usually do not lead to a conviction or prison time, or, really, adverse side-effects for the accused. I mentioned Mark Wahlberg and Sean Penn because they are both men who have been known to be violent (in Wahlberg's case, a number of racially-motivated hate crimes which he admitted to), and yet it's been forgotten/forgiven, because they're famous and we don't believe the victim.

It's infuriating. We look for every possible reason as to why someone could be lying, and ignore the evidence that says they're not.

Edited at 2016-06-01 06:34 pm (UTC)
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 06:55 pm (UTC)
"With allegations of domestic violence, though? There's this huge push to believe the victim is lying. It's not fringe—I'd argue that believing the victim is fringe"

Maybe it's just the circles I tend to hang out with then. I've tried to stay far from the general comments sections on pretty much everything, those are scary places filled with scary people.

clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 07:32 pm (UTC)
The first update I saw on the story was from a friend of mine's 22(?) year old niece who not only said she would never watch one of his movies again but also basically that he should be literally torn apart in prison.

(at which point I went and looked to see what had happened)

Her Mom's response to her was that she was upset as well, but wanted to wait until more information came out.

That was probably the most nuanced response I personally have seen. Everyone else seems pretty upset with Depp and pro-Heard. Again, I haven't followed the various comment sections because I know that's where the bad people dwell and victim-blaming and not believing people who report abuse are huge problems and that's the type of place where they would fester and multiply.

The Stanhope thing was the first time I'd actually seen anyone "pro-Depp" at all. (and yes, you can borrow my world if you need to, it's a nice place. Although I'll have to fumigate afterward to get your hippy germs out!)
clauderainsrm
Jun. 1st, 2016 07:44 pm (UTC)
Oh wait! I did see some tabloid "pictures of Amber Heard the day after" where she was hanging out with friends and smiling - as if someone wouldn't be happy to be safe and with their friends.

That was a pretty big WTF.

Edited at 2016-06-01 07:45 pm (UTC)
gratefuladdict
Jun. 1st, 2016 06:55 pm (UTC)
This x1000.

kickthehobbit
Jun. 1st, 2016 09:32 pm (UTC)
Re: Depp/Heard—I find it strange that she has done literally everything we tell abuse victims to do, but is still being called a liar.

There's a lot of, "but what about..." that keeps coming out. Like, the rules have suddenly changed. If his exes say he's good, he must be good and she must be lying. If his friends say he's good, then...

We ignore the parts that don't fit—for instance, that two of his past partners have said that he could be violent and frightening, that other friends had previously said that he can be violent when drunk, that he has previously assaulted someone—all in an effort to flip the narrative and make him into the victim. Because, clearly, if we don't believe him, his career will be ruined!

I mean, just look at the other poor men that have been maliciously accused of violent behavior—Sean Penn and Mark Wahlberg, look at what happened to their careers! Clearly, we need to worry about Depp and what this will do to him, because even though she did everything you are supposed to, Amber Heard *must* be lying.

We won't accept any other narrative.
clauderainsrm
Jun. 2nd, 2016 01:17 am (UTC)
This seems really familiar. ;)
kickthehobbit
Jun. 2nd, 2016 01:18 am (UTC)
...I have no idea how that double-posted, considering that I exited out of the browser window. goddammit, lj. :P
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